We inherited several roses in the mill garden and, never having grown them before, I’ve been trying to identify and learn about roses and their needs.

Close-up image of a purple rose petal showcasing intricate textures and details.

In some cases this is quite simple. “Rhapsody in Blue“, for example, is an immediately recognisable cultivar, not only because of its its open blooms of a most unusual blue-ish purple shade, but because there was a usefully retained old label in the ground, which meant I could easily identify this rose (thank you, Barry).

Close-up of a vibrant purple rose in a white vase against a dark background.

In other instances, discovering the mysterious name of the rose is a much more tricky process.

A close-up of a beautiful yellow rose with soft petals, surrounded by green leaves.

I strongly suspect, for example, that this beautiful shrub . . .

Three yellow roses blooming in a garden surrounded by green leaves.

. . . whose tall pointed buds emerge with red edges, and whose flowers begin as deep egg-yolk yellow . . .

A close-up of a yellow rose in a garden, with purple flowers blurred in the background.

. . . eventually opening into huge plate-sized blooms with petals of creamy yellow, tinged with pink . . .

Close-up of a soft yellow rose in bloom, showcasing delicate petals with a subtle pink edge.

. . . is the famous hybrid tea which was introduced as Madame A Meilland, and which, after 1945, became known as the “peace” rose.

A close-up of a yellow rose blooming among green leaves, showcasing its delicate petals.

I also have a feeling that the huge, vigorous climber . . .

A young girl sitting in a garden with two black dogs, surrounded by colorful flowers and green grass under a blue sky.

. . . beneath whose delicious scent and falling petals I love to sit and knit . . .

A close-up view of a blooming rose bush featuring soft pink and white roses surrounded by lush green leaves and budding flowers.

. . . is David Austin’s “generous gardener” .

A lush green bush with blooming pale pink roses surrounded by leaves.

But there are several other roses, red and white and pink – each with a different habit, flower formation, petal colour, scent – whose name has so far proved elusive.

Close-up of a vibrant red rose bloom with soft petals and intricate details.
one of my nameless red roses

Completely failing to discover the name of the rose has in itself been an extremely interesting process, from which I’ve learned an awful lot. In fact, it’s fair to say, that the naming of roses, as well as the growing of them, has become something of a new obsession.

A close-up of a soft pink rose bloom with green leaves and buds in the background, softly illuminated against a bright backdrop.
this is a healthy medium-sized climber, with pink blooms and a beautiful arching habit. It grows very happily on a north-facing wall and is in shade for most of the day. It’s flowers are virtually unscented. But what is its name?

As a novice rosarian, the history and nomenclature of roses can seem dizzyingly, dazzlingly confusing. For has any flower, at any point in human history, aroused quite so much fascinated attention as the rose, from its floribundas to its centifolias, its old teas and hybrid teas. What separates a “cabbage” from a “damask”, rosa canina from rosa gallica, climbers from ramblers, “shrubs” from “standards”?

Close-up of a peach-colored rose against a clear blue sky.
Rosa “The Lark Ascending”, one of my newly-planted favourites

This confusion is itself powerfully symptomatic of the huge amount of attention roses have accrued. Precisely because they are so beloved and so admired; because they have been so widely (and so continuously) cultivated in so many different places around the world, roses possess a unique ability to project and soak up meaning. There are countless myths about roses, and, I’ve discovered, a whole lot of misinformation too. For example, the Provins rose has nothing to do with the crusades, and the wars of the roses weren’t the wars of the roses at all (we can blame Shakespeare for the retrospective poetic license that gave us Lancashire’s red and Yorkshire’s white).

Close-up of a white flower with a yellow center surrounded by green leaves.

Both potent and exhausted as a symbol; simultaneously replete with human meaning, and tired, worn-out metaphor, is there anything left to say about the rose? Not for nothing is the final word uttered by Orson Welles’ Charles Foster Kane, “rosebud”, a mysterious numen full of loss and longing.

A close-up image of a partially opened rose bud with pink and cream petals, surrounded by green leaves.
a rose . . . a sled . . .

Umberto Eco apparently chose The Name of the Rose as a title for his famous 1980 novel precisely because this flower is “a symbolic figure so rich in meanings that by now it hardly has any meaning left.” I’ve been thinking about this issue a lot in recent weeks, and over the next few posts, I’ll explore a few different poetic approaches to the rose and its rich / worn out symbolism, accompanied by more of Tom’s excellent photography.

Do you have a favourite poem in which a rose appears? Tell me about it!


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45 responses to “The name of the rose”

  1. I think the pink rose is New Dawn. Lovely delicate scent and a frailer form than many roses. It was on the RHS List for years but has been delisted.

  2. Oh Kate, thank you so much for your article and Tom’s photos. When I got the email, I started reading right away and alas! the power went out and none of the photos showed up in the post!! I waited 12 hours for the electricity to be restored so I could read and “see” this post. When I was a girl my mother grew large rose bushes outside the front door and the beautiful smell wafted into the house all the time. She also had a lovely Cecile Brunner climbing an archway from the “nice” yard to the “bad/dog” yard. I loved those tiny little pink rosebuds. We lived in Southern California and there was a lovely rose garden near USC. https://recreation.parks.lacity.gov/park/exposition-rose-garden
    My father would make us cheese sandwiches and we would go to Exposition Park to the Rose Garden and walk, sniff the roses and eat our sandwiches. Very good memories belong to roses. I now live in NM and have the Scentimental Rose blooming on my balcony and sending sweet perfume into our apartment. Thank you again!

  3. gracefullycollective25ea52bfbc Avatar
    gracefullycollective25ea52bfbc

    Rapsody in Blue took my breath away!

    Thistle be a beautiful day! While there is tea there is hope! ________________________________

  4. What a lovely garden! I love roses. The Generous Gardener is one of my favourites.

    When we bought our home – ten years ago – it was a blank canvas with not even a single rose in the garden. I gave myself a budget and have planted roses every year. Gradually we are filling the borders and hedges with roses. I’m not great at remembering which ones I’ve planted

    We are lucky to live near Peter Beales Classic Roses and their team of rosarians are wonderful. When I am out and about visiting gardens I take photos of roses, they are often able to tell me which one I have seen. Maybe you could try looking on their website?

  5. Jill Hollis Avatar
    Jill Hollis

    Hello Kate,

    Lovely piece about roses and photos. Thank you.
    For many years roses that I planted in a sheltered garden in Dumfries & Galloway failed to thrive until I tried pots with sharp drainage and now, at last, I’ve had three years of lovely blooms.

    Might your climber possibly be Albertine?

  6. Rhona Arthur Avatar
    Rhona Arthur

    The pale pink rambler looks like New Dawn to me. It was a favourite of my grandmother’s who had a lot of lovely roses, so I planted one on a south facing wall at the rear of my house. Coming from Belfast McGredy’s roses were popular choices and Arthur Bell, a yellow cultivar, a great favourite. I also had a Peace rose given as a wedding present, but left it in the garden of our first house. It’s lovely to explore why people have specific varieties and hear the stories. My Dad loved a gorgeous pink climber called Zephirine Drouhin. I think he was attracted to the name, which is fabulous to roll around the mouth. It’s a thornless rose with an astonishing perfume, so I have one of those as well. Good luck with the identification.
    Best wishes
    Rhona

  7. Not a poem, but there was an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show in which the son Ritchie was dismayed to learn that his middle name was Rosebud and demanded an explanation as to why. It turned out that there was much arguing within the family as to what his middle name should be, and ‘Rosebud’ actually stood for Robert, Oscar, Sam, Edward, Benjamin, Ulysses, David :-)

  8. dawninnl Avatar
    dawninnl

    The Roses of Picardy, a song published in 1916, my parents had a 78 of it.

  9. dawninnl Avatar
    dawninnl

    I have to put in a word for Robert Burns’ Red, Red Rose
    O my Luve’s like a red, red rose,
    That’s newly sprung in June;
    O my Luve’s like the melodie
    That’s sweetly play’d in tune.

    As fair are thou, my bonie lass,
    So deep in luve am I;
    And I will luve thee still, my Dear,
    Till a’ the seas gang dry.

    Till a’ the seas gang dry, my Dear,
    And the rocks melt wi’ the sun:
    I will luve thee still, my dear,
    While the sands o’ life shall run.

    And fare thee weel, my only Luve!
    And fare thee weel, a while!
    And I will come again, my Luve,
    Tho’ it were ten thousand mile!

    I also like the echo in The Proclaimers I’m Gonna Be (500 Miles)

  10. joyce Lavalle Avatar
    joyce Lavalle

    Ooh can we have a yarn that amazing rhapsody in blue

  11. Sharon Pearse Avatar
    Sharon Pearse

    Your unknown roses put me in mind of a trip to Wordsworth’s birthplace in Cockermouth. In the lovely garden leading down to the river there was a rose, labelled _Rosa inominata_

    “Is that the rose’s name?” I asked my husband, “or does it mean they don’t know which rose it is?”

    This elicited a peal of delighted laughter from a lady nearby who turned out to be the gardener there.
    “The latter,” she said. “We’ve looked in all the catalogues. Everywhere. We’ve even sent a cutting off to the Rose Society so they can do a DNA test on it.”

    We haven’t been back, so I don’t know the outcome, but the ‘benefits’ of a Classical Education, eh?

  12. freelynight80a99b8648 Avatar
    freelynight80a99b8648

    Wow!!!! Beautiful flowers, thank you for sharing!

    A few tunes spring to mind:

    A bluegrass tune I love, Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice \”Will the Roses Bloom\” https://youtu.be/AN9cF_cCGxY?si=Lca9nCqnHdqqnCJo

    And the choral setting by Tchaikovsky, \”Legend\” or \”The Crown of roses\”, I\’m most familiar with the English words linked in the reference section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_(Tchaikovsky)

    This cheeky title from The Split Level (1969), played on the community radio station the other night while I was training there: \”Looking at a Rose through World-Colored Glasses\” https://youtu.be/S4Tv8acr5kc?si=EGxLj1sUCXKlX4ys

  13. Mary Rose sat on a tack. Mary rose.
    Sorry!

  14. Beautiful garden!

  15. We’ve learned the roses are for the most part happy in our yard, so we have a few. There’s an old Mr. Lincoln in the front, which was here when we arrived and is still blooming almost 40 years later. We replaced an evergreen hedge with yellow and white climbing roses – I think Golden Showers is my favorite, especially the first bloom in the spring.

    As to poems, Robert Frost’s is a favorite, though I don’t always remember that last line correctly:

    The Rose Family
    The rose is a rose,
    And was always a rose.
    But the theory now goes
    That the apple’s a rose,
    And the pear is, and so’s
    The plum, I suppose.
    The dear only knows
    What will next prove a rose.
    You, of course, are a rose –

    But were always a rose.

  16. Barbara M. In NH Avatar
    Barbara M. In NH

    Dear Kate, when we bought our first house (1980), poor as church mice we negotiated up to our very limit….and were $500 away from the home our 3 children needed. We let the sellers know we could not scrape together that last $500, and gave up. Later that day, they came back with a counteroffer: they would accept our offer, if they could take their 10 favorite rose bushes! Knowing I kill plants, we accepted gratefully, and were so happy to live in that house and live knowing the previous owners could continue to love their roses.

    Note: within a few years, all the remaining roses were gone but the children thrived. Now I wish we had asked them to take all the roses so they might have thrived as well, but I had only enough love and energy to keep the children.
    Still, I always regret the roses….

    1. There is so much life in this story, Barbara

  17. Celeste Avatar

    Once I spent a happy day in a botanical garden walking around smelling all their roses. I wrote down the names (now forgotten) of my 3 favorites, found them in a catalog and planted them in my garden. That was so much fun! In addition to fragrance I choose roses by color and prefer the orange-yellow range. Fortunately they grow very easily with little care here in New Mexico. Fresh cut fragrant roses in the house cheers me up immensely.

  18. Shannon Hobbs Avatar
    Shannon Hobbs

    Could your white single petaled rose be Sally Holmes?

  19. Antje Graskamp Avatar
    Antje Graskamp

    Dear Kate,
    thank you so much for your shared thoughts and Toms beautiful photos!
    Roses are such a pleasure, suddenly they appear and turn our little town near the North Sea into a summer beauty… and whenever I see a rose I put my nose into it just to touch and smell it!
    Kate, how beautiful, you knitting under the rose😍
    Love to you from me
    Antje from Husum

  20. Ursula Boulasikis Avatar
    Ursula Boulasikis

    Dear Kate,With great pleasure I read about your garden and flowers!The ,,peace rose‘‘ is also called Gloria Dei. I really love this beautiful and wonderful smelling rose.

  21. “The Naming of Names. The Search for Order in the World of Plants” by Anna Pavord (Bloomsbury, 2005), by the author of “The Tulip” which you reviewed a few weeks ago when the tulips were in bloom. Another wonderful read, and a deep dive into the history of plant identification and the meanings of plants’ scientific and common names.

    1. Ordered! Thank you, Pat

  22. James Smith Avatar
    James Smith

    A rose rhyme/ poem courtesy of my mother when I were but a lad … lets say 70-odd years ago!

    ‘I wonder, I wonder if anyone knows
    who lives in the heart of this velvety rose.
    Is it a goblin?
    Or is it an elf?
    Or is it the queen of the faeries herself?’

    Cheers, petal,

    James

  23. John Keats’s To a friend who sent me some roses .

  24. Zahlya Avatar

    A very well-known (in France at least) poem with a rose in it is “Mignonne, allons voir si la rose” from Pierre de Ronsard
    https://www.poetica.fr/poeme-104/pierre-ronsard-mignonne-allons-voir-si-la-rose/

    1. Judith Nettleingham Avatar
      Judith Nettleingham

      And that is one of my favourite roses!

  25. Ann Lawless Avatar
    Ann Lawless

    Kate, You are not the only rosarian fascinated by old roses. There are a lot of us out here!! Do you know about Erin Benzakein at Floret in Washington state in the US? I think you would enjoy her emails and blogs. https://www.floretflowers.com/?s=roses. Thank you for this series.

  26. When we bought our house over 40 years ago, there were a lot of roses in the gardens. We didn’t know anything about roses. We still don’t, but we enjoy the different scents and colours.
    You have beautiful roses as well.
    The Fab Four of Cley
    :-) :-) :-) :-)

  27. Your pink climber certainly looks – and sounds – like The Generous Gardener: what a glorious place to sit and knit. My outdoor knitting is done surrounded by Desdemona, equally fragrant, I’m sure.

  28. agletenchantingbdc9335d8b Avatar
    agletenchantingbdc9335d8b

    Ingeborg Bachmann (1964)

    Schatten Rosen Schatten

    Unter einem fremden Himmel Schatten Rosen Schatten auf einer fremden Erde zwischen Rosen und Schatten in einem fremden Wasser mein Schatten.

    Ingeborg Bachmann (1964)

    Shadows, Roses, Shadows

    Beneath a foreign sky Shadows, Roses, Shadows on foreign soil between roses and shadows in foreign waters my shadow.

    With best regards from Hungary – Roswitha ________________________________

  29. Juliet Avatar

    Could the nameless red rose be Mr Lincoln?

    1. I think you are right, Juliet! Thank you!

  30. Sorry „cool“ !

  31. Thank you for your beautiful impressions.
    I have no poem (except „a rose is a rose, is a Rose“ from Gertrude Stein) but some other hint:
    By Interpretation of TCM the petals of the wild form rosa gallica cools the mind and stresssymptoms and also cools the stomach. In Orient countries rosewater and rosebuds are used for food. The rose harmonizes. And this all beside it’s beautiful appearance and scent.
    Warm regards

  32. Lynne Wilcox Avatar
    Lynne Wilcox

    Could the small flowered pink rose with clusters of buds be Cecile Brunner?

  33. Such beautiful flowers!
    I think Umberto Eco’s title refers to an allegorical medieval poem by Guillaume de Lorris, the “Roman de la Rose”, in which the rose is the symbol for the loved lady of the narrator, love and eros at the same time. But then, the symbolic meaning of the rose goes back to antique times and had been taken up by the medieval writers themselves.
    I love that Umberto Eco has so many references to medieval literature, art, philosophy, etc., etc., reading the novel is like a “caccia al tesoro”.

    Happy gardening and knitting!

  34. Rosemary Champion Avatar
    Rosemary Champion

    The Little White Rose
    By Hugh MacDiarmid (1892 – 1978)
    1934
    The rose of all the world is not for me.
    I want for my part
    Only the little white rose of Scotland
    That smells sharp and sweet – and breaks the heart.

    In his first line, MacDiarmid refers directly to the opening lines of Yeats’s poem “The Rose of Battle” – “Rose of all Roses, Rose of all the World”. For Yeats, the rose was a potent and complex symbol representing the feminine idea; Ireland; the transcendent state of peace and beauty; ineffable perfection. But MacDiarmid rejects the universal for the particular. He wants something more specific and singular – the little white rose of Scotland, the Jacobite emblem, vulnerable yet tough. Rosa x alba is its correct name – “vigorous, resistant to disease and capable of thriving on poorer soils”. For MacDiarmid, it symbolises the country he loves; for Alex Salmond, leader of the Scottish National Party too: upbraided for wearing a Jacobite rose in his buttonhole, Salmond’s retort was that it’s MacDiarmid’s rose and it stands for the whole of Scotland.

  35. There’s a novel published in the 50s or 60s about the creation of the Peace rose called ‘For Love of a Rose’ all about the two families who intermarried and put in the hard work of cultivating the flowers. Can’t remember the author’s name; Antonia ? It was read on Woman’s Hour and prompted a huge response back in the days before social media.

  36. Judith Nettleingham Avatar
    Judith Nettleingham

    I could identify a peace rose by its scent…. Rather ‘apricot nectary’. As it was the first rose I knew, and its name was so wonderful, it has always held a special meaning for me.

  37. wendyknits Avatar
    wendyknits

    When I was a child, my parents bought a house that had a huge rose bush growing on one side of the house, outside my bedroom. That bush produced the most insanely beautiful deep red roses with a wonderful scent. In the summer when I went to bed with my windows open, that scent permeated my dreams. When my parents sold the house years later, the next door neighbor (half-jokingly) said that she wanted a clause in the sale documents that she was still allowed access to those roses, as my mother always encouraged her to come over and cut some blooms as there were so many.

    These days I live on the 10th floor of a high-rise condominium and I have nary a plant or window box. So thank you for invoking memories of those wonderful roses!

  38. Irene Ventzke-Brandt Avatar
    Irene Ventzke-Brandt

    When I saw the yellowish rose I immediately thought ” oh lovely s Gloria Dei peace. They are fantastic roses. I once took s curling and it flowered in the second year. Sadly,nthe next winter was a bit too sudden frosty cold for the young plant so it died.

  39. Nickola Avatar

    Kate
    I am enjoying these essays and pictures about flowers and colours – thank you!

    After Umberto Eco, I always think about the William Blake poem, and its many, perhaps rose like, layers or levels of interpretation, The Sick Rose

    O Rose, thou art sick!
    The invisible worm,
    That flies in the night,
    In the howling storm,

    Has found out thy bed
    Of crimson joy;
    And his dark secret love
    Does thy life destroy.

  40. Cheryl Collins Avatar
    Cheryl Collins

    ‘Rose of all the world’ by D H Lawrence. Despite the Lawrentian hyperbole this hymn to sexual love still gets me, especially the last line.

  41. We planted The Lark Acending last year and it is gorgeous 😀

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